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Short nose rhinoplasty - my nose before was significantly better
UPDATED FROM zenafreck
2 months post
1 month later and still no reply from Wonjin
zenafreckOctober 2, 2015
$6,000
They seem very resistant to send me my own medical records which is VERY worrying to me.
They keep saying they'll send it but I never hear back from them... It is their LEGAL obligation FYI to send me my surgical file but they keep pushing it off. At this point, I wouldn't recommend Wonjin to anyone and have been warning people of their services.
Sorry for not posting yet about what to consider before a primary. It's been very hectic!
They keep saying they'll send it but I never hear back from them... It is their LEGAL obligation FYI to send me my surgical file but they keep pushing it off. At this point, I wouldn't recommend Wonjin to anyone and have been warning people of their services.
Sorry for not posting yet about what to consider before a primary. It's been very hectic!
UPDATED FROM zenafreck
1 month post
RealSelf Doctors & Update from Wonjin (They haven't responded to me in almost 2 weeks)
zenafreckSeptember 16, 2015
It's a pity you can't respond to questions on RS. I've wanted to thank doctors for taking the time to write to me. I've asked a few questions. Also, the question section is so limited so I can't articulate to doctors that I've obviously done quite a bit of research and understand it's too early for a revision and that I'm still swollen. I'm basically asking from THEIR past experience, where might this go? I understand it's a 'guestimate' but the more opinions and knowledge I can get right now, the better. That's all I'm trying to do.
Here is my question: http://bit.ly/1W1JTOn
I found Dr Jeffrey Epstein, Nabil Fakih, Remus Repta and Brock Ridenour's responses really helpful.
- Dr Jeffrey Epstein: Really interesting and never knew about the septal cartilage and so glad to know this specific detail. I have immediately emailed Wonjin asking them about whether they touched my SC or not. He has given me a more specific opinion which I appreciate on how my tip looks like it has drooped and is more projected which is exactly my thoughts too.
- Dr Nabil Fakih: Recommends I contact my doctor for an evaluation on how my recovery is going. Unfortunately, I do not hear from my doctor directly and the clinic is not responding to me? Good to know that this is not common however. I was afraid I was being too demanding. I will touch on this more later in this post.
- Dr Remus Repta: Explains that the swelling may result in extra nose length that I do not desire. Good to know.
Dr Brock Ridenour: Hits it right on the nose. "Take a deep breath and try to relax". This shows me he understands and possibly has had extensive experience with rhinoplasty patients and the notorious "hating period" (which I have started a forum on here: http://bit.ly/1Jb8JSF) He mentions that a millimetre of change can make a huge difference in my perception of the overall size and length of my nose. Not sure if he's implicating only a mm will change or if he’s simply explaining that so much has yet to change and it will make a significant difference no matter how small. Either way, this somewhat confirms my concern. I wanted a VERY slight change... and if a mm can make a significant difference then I am worried that Wonjin has changed TOO much. They have clearly extended my nose WAY more than an mm which based on this theory, will make a DRASTIC difference as opposed to the subtle one I was looking for. Either way, I really appreciate the way he explained it to me. "The good news is that rhinoplasty is not an all or nothing procedure. It is possible not only to remove the ear graft, but to modify the size, width, shape, projection and inclination of the graft to find the perfect balance. Be patient, don't panic and keep an open line of communication with your doctor". This is reassuring.??UPDATE ON WONJIN:?I emailed them 12 days ago and I’ve heard nothing. They were a lot more responsive pre-op and I’m hoping they don’t just discard patients aside once they’ve preformed the op and gotten their money… That would be a real pity….??This is what I have asked Wonjin for and I’m still waiting for a response:??
1. Was the septal cartilage touched?
2. What method of nose extension, nostril reduction and tip correction was used?
3. How was the ear cartilage fixed? Was it sutured to the nasal tip cartilages? Was there any tissue glue used?
4. Was any of my tip cartilages removed and if so, what was exactly altered or removed during the surgery?
5. Surgical File for insurance records
I will write a post soon on what to consider before a primary rhinoplasty surgery in case it helps anyone in the future... Things I wish I considered :)
Here is my question: http://bit.ly/1W1JTOn
I found Dr Jeffrey Epstein, Nabil Fakih, Remus Repta and Brock Ridenour's responses really helpful.
- Dr Jeffrey Epstein: Really interesting and never knew about the septal cartilage and so glad to know this specific detail. I have immediately emailed Wonjin asking them about whether they touched my SC or not. He has given me a more specific opinion which I appreciate on how my tip looks like it has drooped and is more projected which is exactly my thoughts too.
- Dr Nabil Fakih: Recommends I contact my doctor for an evaluation on how my recovery is going. Unfortunately, I do not hear from my doctor directly and the clinic is not responding to me? Good to know that this is not common however. I was afraid I was being too demanding. I will touch on this more later in this post.
- Dr Remus Repta: Explains that the swelling may result in extra nose length that I do not desire. Good to know.
Dr Brock Ridenour: Hits it right on the nose. "Take a deep breath and try to relax". This shows me he understands and possibly has had extensive experience with rhinoplasty patients and the notorious "hating period" (which I have started a forum on here: http://bit.ly/1Jb8JSF) He mentions that a millimetre of change can make a huge difference in my perception of the overall size and length of my nose. Not sure if he's implicating only a mm will change or if he’s simply explaining that so much has yet to change and it will make a significant difference no matter how small. Either way, this somewhat confirms my concern. I wanted a VERY slight change... and if a mm can make a significant difference then I am worried that Wonjin has changed TOO much. They have clearly extended my nose WAY more than an mm which based on this theory, will make a DRASTIC difference as opposed to the subtle one I was looking for. Either way, I really appreciate the way he explained it to me. "The good news is that rhinoplasty is not an all or nothing procedure. It is possible not only to remove the ear graft, but to modify the size, width, shape, projection and inclination of the graft to find the perfect balance. Be patient, don't panic and keep an open line of communication with your doctor". This is reassuring.??UPDATE ON WONJIN:?I emailed them 12 days ago and I’ve heard nothing. They were a lot more responsive pre-op and I’m hoping they don’t just discard patients aside once they’ve preformed the op and gotten their money… That would be a real pity….??This is what I have asked Wonjin for and I’m still waiting for a response:??
1. Was the septal cartilage touched?
2. What method of nose extension, nostril reduction and tip correction was used?
3. How was the ear cartilage fixed? Was it sutured to the nasal tip cartilages? Was there any tissue glue used?
4. Was any of my tip cartilages removed and if so, what was exactly altered or removed during the surgery?
5. Surgical File for insurance records
I will write a post soon on what to consider before a primary rhinoplasty surgery in case it helps anyone in the future... Things I wish I considered :)
Replies (1)
September 16, 2015
We are having the same exact problem - except the opposite. I had surgery a week ago and hate my nose - it was beak like before and they turned it up too high! It looks like a pig snout now :(. I feel like my Dr also sucks, he has returned my calls but always tells me to stop overreacting, and that everything will drop. Last night he wouldn't even talk to me - he asked to speak to my boyfriend instead and talked to him. I felt so angry.
I've been on realself for the last week just trying to find things to give me hope. I did see a nose that looked a lot like yours after post-op, and when the swelling looked down it looked much shorter! I honestly think you will be pleased with your results. :)
I've been on realself for the last week just trying to find things to give me hope. I did see a nose that looked a lot like yours after post-op, and when the swelling looked down it looked much shorter! I honestly think you will be pleased with your results. :)
September 17, 2015
Awww thanks @kshap2! That is reassuring to know. I've just taken a look at your review. I think most patients need a little pacifying after rhinoplasty but not nice of your doctor to react in that way at all. Very unprofessional. There are better/more effective methods of going about it.
My concern was my tip is too low and lucky for you, noses do tend to drop! There's that notorious hating period post rhinoplasty and many people from what I've read complain about their noses being too upturned post op but the nose in almost all cases, drops so try your best just to breathe through it. I know it's difficult and it feels hopeless waiting but I can't imagine the stress/cortisol levels helps with the healing (or at least that's what I've told myself! haha :) ) I've also read that your nose naturally drops, throughout the years, as you age so when you reach your somewhat final results, try and keep that in mind if you do look into getting a revision.
I know it's still early days for me but I've been speaking to a few revision specialists. I might see if I can get my original nose back, only less fleshy in 6-8 months time but of course, I'll cross that bridge closer to the date. Do you have a link to the nose you saw?
Let's keep in touch during this process. It can be reassuring and calming to speak to someone who's going through similar circumstances. I hope you know prior to and post rhinoplasty, you are still very beautiful either way! So do not worry about that. I know this process can have a way of making you feel unworthy of being in public but I hope you don't think so. Unfortunately, for me, my work requires a lot of press so I've taken a backseat since the procedure and hoping to fix it as soon as possible so it does not hinder my work life. :(
My concern was my tip is too low and lucky for you, noses do tend to drop! There's that notorious hating period post rhinoplasty and many people from what I've read complain about their noses being too upturned post op but the nose in almost all cases, drops so try your best just to breathe through it. I know it's difficult and it feels hopeless waiting but I can't imagine the stress/cortisol levels helps with the healing (or at least that's what I've told myself! haha :) ) I've also read that your nose naturally drops, throughout the years, as you age so when you reach your somewhat final results, try and keep that in mind if you do look into getting a revision.
I know it's still early days for me but I've been speaking to a few revision specialists. I might see if I can get my original nose back, only less fleshy in 6-8 months time but of course, I'll cross that bridge closer to the date. Do you have a link to the nose you saw?
Let's keep in touch during this process. It can be reassuring and calming to speak to someone who's going through similar circumstances. I hope you know prior to and post rhinoplasty, you are still very beautiful either way! So do not worry about that. I know this process can have a way of making you feel unworthy of being in public but I hope you don't think so. Unfortunately, for me, my work requires a lot of press so I've taken a backseat since the procedure and hoping to fix it as soon as possible so it does not hinder my work life. :(
September 17, 2015
Thanks for the response back! I have heard they drop too but also have heard if they are over-rotated they won't drop. At this point I also see that the bridge is almost non existent anymore (he flattened it entirely) which makes me really upset. I'm almost scared what will happen when the swelling goes down, lol. I just want my old nose. I feel/look like a pig.
I've also today - for the first time - thought about contacting a revision specialist, just to ask for a second opinion and plan a year ahead. I didn't want to go through with a revision and it was never something I wanted to do. I thought that if I didn't like it, I would just deal with it - but this is the opposite of what I asked for :( I never wanted a tip rotation.
I don't have a link to the nose I saw right now, it was last week but I will try to find it to you! When she took her cast off, her nose was SO swollen at the tip and looked very bulbous, but by 3-4 months the swelling calmed down and it went back to being very small and delicate looking on her face.
I would love to keep in touch with you. I've already started leaving the house and going to school and it is so stressful, I feel like everyone is staring at me and trying to figure out what went wrong. :( I feel like i belong on botched lol.
I hope your recovery goes well for now though!! Please hang in there.
I've also today - for the first time - thought about contacting a revision specialist, just to ask for a second opinion and plan a year ahead. I didn't want to go through with a revision and it was never something I wanted to do. I thought that if I didn't like it, I would just deal with it - but this is the opposite of what I asked for :( I never wanted a tip rotation.
I don't have a link to the nose I saw right now, it was last week but I will try to find it to you! When she took her cast off, her nose was SO swollen at the tip and looked very bulbous, but by 3-4 months the swelling calmed down and it went back to being very small and delicate looking on her face.
I would love to keep in touch with you. I've already started leaving the house and going to school and it is so stressful, I feel like everyone is staring at me and trying to figure out what went wrong. :( I feel like i belong on botched lol.
I hope your recovery goes well for now though!! Please hang in there.
September 21, 2015
It is my pleasure! Thank you for writing to me, I really appreciate it. :) I completely know how you feel - I too want my old nose back and this too is not what I asked for.
I’m hoping in your case that it’s just an illusion from the swelling and hopefully once that subsides, your bridge will seem more prominent. I remember thinking just after surgery that my nose looked more fleshy and had no definition. You also have a lot more bruising than I did so I’m hoping in your case, that maybe that means you’re just more swollen? If that’s the case, everything will distort more. I’m sending you as much good vibes as possible and really hoping that it all resolves for you soon! The wait just makes you feel more helpless. I’d hate for you to go through a prolonged period of that.
I really didn’t want a revision either - just prolongs the entire process and with my work, the more time I waste on this, the more money I do too so I’m trying to see what the best and fastest solution is. My current options are: 1. Wait a year and go to a top doctor in the US (looking at Ghavami) or 2. Return back to Korea in 6 months and see if they can amend it. For the latter, if things go well, the downtime would be less but if it doesn’t, it’ll be even longer. The latter is also cheaper and they also know specifically what was done to me so if I want to reverse it I ASSUME it might be easier? I’m not sure. Still researching and weighing the pros and cons but at this point, I just want it done once and for all and ASAP so cost is not the defining factor. I am with you, nothing is more disheartening than getting what you didn’t ask for. :( So glad you are already out of the house! It took me awhile and I still feel quite embarrassed to go out and see many of my friends - I stick to work, partner, family, closest friends right now. You are so beautiful either way. Excuse my language but F em. lol. I barely know you but you are the sweetest and you have the face to match (regardless of surgery). I honestly cannot see how they could fault you on anything? If they do, I think it’s just tall poppy syndrome. People hate out of insecurity. Anyway, I just followed your review and will check in every now and then! Hope things are getting better for you. Chin up! I keep telling myself that I’m a little wiser/a little more informed after this experience so hopefully things can only get better from here for the both of us - revision or not. :)
I really didn’t want a revision either - just prolongs the entire process and with my work, the more time I waste on this, the more money I do too so I’m trying to see what the best and fastest solution is. My current options are: 1. Wait a year and go to a top doctor in the US (looking at Ghavami) or 2. Return back to Korea in 6 months and see if they can amend it. For the latter, if things go well, the downtime would be less but if it doesn’t, it’ll be even longer. The latter is also cheaper and they also know specifically what was done to me so if I want to reverse it I ASSUME it might be easier? I’m not sure. Still researching and weighing the pros and cons but at this point, I just want it done once and for all and ASAP so cost is not the defining factor. I am with you, nothing is more disheartening than getting what you didn’t ask for. :( So glad you are already out of the house! It took me awhile and I still feel quite embarrassed to go out and see many of my friends - I stick to work, partner, family, closest friends right now. You are so beautiful either way. Excuse my language but F em. lol. I barely know you but you are the sweetest and you have the face to match (regardless of surgery). I honestly cannot see how they could fault you on anything? If they do, I think it’s just tall poppy syndrome. People hate out of insecurity. Anyway, I just followed your review and will check in every now and then! Hope things are getting better for you. Chin up! I keep telling myself that I’m a little wiser/a little more informed after this experience so hopefully things can only get better from here for the both of us - revision or not. :)
September 21, 2015
I already started contacting doctors for a second opinion and they all tell me that this is completely normal. I've asked to come see them for a second opinion - to find out if he DID over rotate the tip, but they said that my reaction is usually normal and that they don't want to just "waste my money for a consult". They said not to bother for 6 months.
I have a lot of bruising and swelling still, I think. I had fine lines on my forehead that still haven't reappeared. I think my swelling might be extra-bad because of the steroids.
What made you go to Korea in the first place? I wanted to go there for rhinoplasty at the beginning of last year, and it was between going to Korean clinics, staying in Canada or going to the US. I consulted Toriumi in the US and some Drs in Canada and chose my Dr because I liked his previous work and he seemed to understand that I only wanted a subtle change.
Do you think that once your swelling goes completely down you'll like your nose?
Another thing that pisses me off is every other doctor I ask about this has told me "a female nose SHOULD be slightly upturned" - which I agree with, and thats what I asked for, but not from the front. From the front I am too nasally and look like a pig and that is abnormal? Argh! One doctor on realself said my results were even attractive... crazy.
Thank you so much for messaging with me though. It really helps :(
I have a lot of bruising and swelling still, I think. I had fine lines on my forehead that still haven't reappeared. I think my swelling might be extra-bad because of the steroids.
What made you go to Korea in the first place? I wanted to go there for rhinoplasty at the beginning of last year, and it was between going to Korean clinics, staying in Canada or going to the US. I consulted Toriumi in the US and some Drs in Canada and chose my Dr because I liked his previous work and he seemed to understand that I only wanted a subtle change.
Do you think that once your swelling goes completely down you'll like your nose?
Another thing that pisses me off is every other doctor I ask about this has told me "a female nose SHOULD be slightly upturned" - which I agree with, and thats what I asked for, but not from the front. From the front I am too nasally and look like a pig and that is abnormal? Argh! One doctor on realself said my results were even attractive... crazy.
Thank you so much for messaging with me though. It really helps :(
UPDATED FROM zenafreck
1 month post
Pictures for you to see
zenafreckSeptember 16, 2015
I understand there i still swelling but my nose before was significantly better. Will update you on my progress :)
Replies (3)
September 17, 2015
I'm sorry this happened to you, I understand the personal frustrations but I think that your nose looks really good!
October 7, 2015
Your pictures are not great, but to me it looks like a good result to mr. This may not be what you want to hear but it is really difficult to lenghhten a nose. What would interest me is how this was done. Doing this with ear cartilage and no implant would be impressive. It makes me wonder if your surgeon did actually use an implant. Your complaint seems to be that it is not what you asked for. This is a 100% valid complaint, but I am wondering if you nose is otherwise fairly normal looking?
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Had found wonjin when I searched for upturned nose rhinoplasty...
I'm so sorry you have such a bad experience with them (I feel for you)! And am so glad your warned me off them. You've saved me some potential heartache (would hate a clinic who doesn't reply after a surgery result I'm not happy with!)
Thank you. And you know now they have one less potential customer!
Whereas Martin was willing to address the width of my nose with an alar reduction in the same operation.
Back then there was less information readily available on the Internet and I had no idea about tip grafts, so I didn't ask Martin about it specifically.
Martin Huang took the "professional opinion" that I didn't need one, which combined with the alar reduction resulted in a pinched upturned nose.
Would things have turned out differently with Woffles, I can't say for sure. He did seem friendlier and more approachable than Martin. Hope that helps!
I'm trying to find a new surgeon I can trust, as after a series of events I don't trust Martin Huang to tell the truth anymore.
Ideally would do it in Asia, preferably singapore. If you do find a good surgeon you like, please tell me! Good luck!